The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened. As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. Messed. Everyone in the world can believe something. The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings I dont buy it Shes guilty She did it I know she did it Her story makes no sense Shes evil Shes crazy. It had to be her.. Do not take this so personally. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? The reason Im harsh is because Ive detected that youve paid for this site and therefore cant be wrong. Foote then handled the juvenile docket and first encountered Downs when he ordered her two surviving children into state protective custody. The previous video you sent me shows a Jagger pretty animated and involved in the defense of his client. We cant. After arriving at the nearest hospital where the nursing staff and doctors attended to the children, the police were called in and her parents arrived promptly. You are right. But you told Diane Downs to go ahead and get an apartment? You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. The crucial point is that she is so void of emotion. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.. Its a rather large part of the story. Diane was pregnant during the trial so if found not guilty, how would she have regained the love of her life? The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. Guilty or not, the case was handled with prejudice and many errors occurred. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. I just tried to find a video or article about Hugi and I only get the one or two that I already have. Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. And other inmates were released with worst backgrounds. They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. Without her daughters testimony and the lies about the gun, they could not have found her guilty in a fair trial. The authorities believed that the children's father was not a good fit to look after the children after what they had endured when their mother tried to murder them. Critics said she deliberately became pregnant in order to garner sympathy from the jury. It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. When Dianes youngest daughter, who was adopted after being taken away by the state, found out who her real mother was and decided to reach out to her, the media and Rule grabbed hold of her to promote their agenda. Maher also didn't specify that two of three authors weren't even from Johns Hopkins University: Jonas Herby, MS, whom the working paper described as a special advisor at Center for Political . Due process always matters. Thanks for the link. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. She felt fulfilled when she was pregnant because she believedit was the road to unconditional love. The person leaned into the car. They should have taken their timeto investigatethis case thoroughly and without prejudice. http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf. Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? I think that the time she has served and her good behavior made her eligible for parole. The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? Despite all of this: that the attorney became a Foster Carer irrelevant, inflammatory, subjective and bears no reflection on the trial, or indeed the trial outcome. Posted by October 30, 2021 apush gilded age test on why didn't steve downs get custody The way it was. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. Not meaning to sound disrespectful, but you seem to be doing what you accuse Ann Rule of doing. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). Aint no one gonna tarnish my guys lol. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the timemy sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled Small Sacrificesdocument the true story of the Diane Downs case; in fact, it is a mix bag of truth, falsehoods, interpretation and plain fiction. When they recaptured her, she was very docile. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. What got her convicted was two things the towel and Christie. That her child was basically forced to admit that she saw her mom shoot them? They were traumatized and needed familiar faces to feel safe. So it was a relentless game totry to reel her in. She was also shot twice andifshe had been sitting up, the seats would have been covered with blood spatter as well as the shooter. It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. I lived in Eugene, Oregon for years. I guess Diane forgot to have that part engraved on the Unicorn. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. Tis why at 10 years old I was hearing about this case in Ohio, and family members talked about it around me.it hit with great force that way. You can click here to read about the case of Alice Crimmins during which the lead detective was heard telling the other cops before the bodies of the children were ever found:You take the husband, Ill take the bitch.. Dianes automobile was secured and examined and no gun was found. So Mark, where are you from? There was a lot of evidence pointing at OJ. I do not post rude comments. Yes, I had filed for divorce and then I canceled it. Plus, you do not let a newly appointed judge to criminal cases, preside over a high profile murder case when he has no experience whatsoever and has already prejudged the defendant dangerous to her children. Her case was too public and they are afraid of public backlash. She is nowhere near being paroled and if she admitted guilt, I am not even convinced they would release her. She knew that Knickerbocker hated trouble of any kind, and thathe would have never come back to her after an ugly shooting where she had been wounded and her kids damaged. It is not a hatefest and I do not wish death or life without parole on anyone. a clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. She was the prosecutions only hope. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. Movie scene alleging that Christie was scared. Halo Infinite. Being interested in a subject without bringing emotions to the table is always the most important step. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation: bipolar wasnt a diagnosable condition at the time of her first trial. They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. Criminalist James Pex was pretty clear about this. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Im glad you continued to look for more information as time went on. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath.. She entertained the idea of opening a surrogacy agency but the project never really took off. So obviously, she was the prime suspect. The State produced a witness (Ms. Patterson) to testify that Diane Downs entered the hospital bathroom, left the door open, and ran water in the sink (Appendix 87, page 476). Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts. That is not a quick process and is very invasive to a familys privacy. The kind of TV series that they produce on high profile crimes will make sure to turn public opinion. Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. He could not during the marriage so he walked away. A. Growing up, Diane had felt like an outsider and kids had been cruel towards her because of her real or imagined ugly duckling looks and demeanor. If she was such a manipulative person, she would not be in prison for life, would she? But there is forensic evidence pointing to Diane Downs. In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differently we been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence proven. If the answer is, to keep the public safe, then I call BS. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. The prosecutor didn't even know that after the Mother's Day road rage incident in 2020, Rivas was charged in Maryland with leaving the scene of another accident involving bodily injury. It seems that not being American might help us view the case and Rules narrative with more objectivity. What about the son saying that man and nurses noting that. Whats next? There were a few calls and on one occasion, The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings , So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. I think that she has done enough time and should be released. Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? Ginsburg didn't think women should get to do what men did because she believed they would do the job better; she wanted equality for its own liberating sake. Caught in the act, Hugi declared that Christie only said that because she was pressed for an answer. They had high hopes for Dianes future and this bad boy was not part of it. Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. Then, they accused her of shooting her kids at close range. And of course, she added her own brand of paranoia, which is to be expected considering her personality disorder and what she went through. It is said that they didn't go to Steve because he wasn't a fit father or well equipped to take care of children who had gone through such a traumatic experience. It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial, he tried to retain defense attorney Melvin Belli who had the reputation of fighting for his clients and to win all his cases. Up. Her flat affect is even more pronounced now and it did her in at the time, but she was lucid enough to clearly see that Rule and the media used Becky for their personal gain. This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. Downs, born Elizabeth Diane Frederickson, was a 27-year-old divorced postal worker when she pulled up outside a hospital in Oregon in May 1983. Why did they let her daughter testify when she could not know who shot her and said so incessantly until they made her say what they wanted? This is to avoid the conflict of interest that we read about above. You dont get any kind of advancement or rehabilitation in prison. Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. He knows as he was in court and must have photos. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. It is called a conflict of interest. At the time Diane had told police that a stranger attempted to carjack her and shot the kids, and that's what her ex husband was told, too. But the high profile nature of the case might hinder the process. By many accounts, her children adored her. The next morning Diane appeared in the courtroom with a police report written by Detective Pond a year earlier, in which Ms. Patterson was sure Diane had gone nowhere near the bathroom the night of the shooting (Appendix 62). Master Chief actor Pablo Schreiber has said he won't do an impression on the Halo TV show, suggesting he won't try to . 1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. I point out some obvious facts and discrepancies, and that due process was shoved aside because the state and the media presented a guilty image right from the start. Jump through the States hoops, or find a noose around your neck. 2) You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane. I agree that the phone call from Angel was totally inappropriate. It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole? One of the more bizarre scenes in this farce of an investigation was about to unfold. And yes, its your site, but dont act like a site is open for discussion if its not. Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. Thanks again. You do not refute any of the points I made in the blogs. You are wondering about the question why didn't steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. And if he really was attached to them and wanted to offer them a permanent home, it means he was unfit to be the prosecutor in this case. TIL On May 19, 1983, Diane Downs shot her three children and drove them at 5-7 mph to the hospital. During his travels, he visited prisons and spoke against this type of barbarism because his father was imprisoned for a debt of 40 pounds and 10 shillings when he was twelve years. In addition, the children were suffering life-changing physical and mental trauma, which would take years to heal. You cant possibly shake off all the gun powder residue and avoid all the blood. I feel sorry for Diane too. Great question. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. And according to the law, she should have been released by now, independently of what she says or not. Of course I saw movie first, then read the bookI wanted more, sadly early Internet days, there wasnt much out there, as far as info or video, picturesnothing really. But I would not know what her state of mind is because I did not witness it. A trial should be based on facts and solid direct or circumstantial evidence. On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. And even when confronted by the wrongful practices used at trial to get her convicted, are ok with her being locked up for life. It seems that everyone commenting just knows shes guilty, like you say. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. It would never happen todaynever. I had nonetheless heard of the legendary Diane Downs; the cruel sociopath who had sacrificed her own children to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she loved. As I stated towards the beginning of my response, Im taking issue with the blog and the subjective language used. Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. This website supports restorative justice, so of course it leans towards sentences that are not life without parole if it is supported by a warden and mental health specialists. Not unlike Diane, Alice did not want to share her pain in public. They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. I state that it is not my place to judge innocence or guilt. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. 3 yr. ago. Because she seemed "aloof". They were tons of witnesses that saw him at work. All smoke and mirrors to fit a certain scenario. According to the State, ballistics evidence proved that Diane Downs was guilty. Whenever your shoot a gun that many times and that close to the victims, theres going to be blood and powder residues. I would like to raise the numerous issues with this blog. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court. Doing it without witnesses when she was so sick is underhanded. All of it is explained in the blog you didnt bother reading. All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. What was the justification? I still dont buy her story. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business. Her power to manipulate is why she is where she is to begin with. Knick never signed the premarital agreement and Diane never married him. She did it. So imagine when you are troubled to begin with. Diane was cooked the minute she walked in that courtroom. Even more now with hindsight because of the gun and the fact that her daughter kind of recanted by demonstrating that if pushed, she will say what is expected of her. After parting ways, the couple would soon meet again in Arizona which would end up in them reigniting and reconnecting their fling. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. (He WAS shot in the back remember). She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. Christie NEVER said she didnt know who did it she was just unwilling or afraid to tell on her mother. They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. These women did not show emotions and did not fold when asked to. Libby, I quoted what Diane said. The children had a father. Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. They seem to say she was like that from the very beginning so in my opinion, it should represent a mitigating circumstance instead of a longer sentence. Leaving out a lot of info that should be included and presenting a very one sided take on these things. It is because she is a high profile person. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. Mainly because she is being kept caged due to her name recognition at this point, not her offense. I write about cases where due process is in question and important aspects were ignored or twisted. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. She s. Is it the one you tried to use? They never tried to reunite them with family. I was shocked any asked why she thought that. it also isnt right that the rules get to keep being changed after the fact as far as how often one may apply for parole. Diane said that Cheryl was laying down on the front floorboard with the passenger seat pushed back. but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby. I am not from USA, never have been there, but my impression is that in USA media are far more powerful than the justice system and rational thinking is crushed by easy emotional moods, stereotypes and a hunger for violence coated in a pompous moral attitude. Having recently done research on the Liysa Northons case which was the subject of a book written by Ann Rule titled Heart Full of Lies,I came across some very interesting information about the Diane Downs case because Rule attended the trial and also wrote a book about the case called Small Sacrifices. There are no facts? She is supposed to be locked up for murder, etc. Our legal system is not perfect. And when kids are hurt, emotions keep flowing endlessly. Two wrongs do not make a right but illustrates that she should have never been coerced before, during or after the trial. Or that the sketch did not resemble the suspect enough? I am not sure of the exact timing of Dianes accusations but the Downs family did not only include the grandparents and they were never considered even before this nonsense. A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. It was the story of two troubled young souls trying to survive without a safety net. One could argue that this blog does not stick to what came out at trial. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? Any thoughts on that? Danny was the product of an affair. I would say so. They felt safe there. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differentlywe been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence provenprobably over 10 years or longer, people expect trials to be that of a law and order TV show..I cant say thats a bad thing, or makes what happened in the 80s on back bad. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. Will Cheryl ever be let out of her grave? It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). But it is not hard to see that the way this tape and her confession were obtained was not legitimate. He still shouldnt have been allowed to adopt them while the appeals process was ongoing, if he had any role in those cases. It was not the right gun. The fact that Dianes injury was way more serious than they tried to pretend? The underlying basis of this article. The interpretation of blood splatter is different than no blood splatter. This unexpected proposal took Diane by surprise at a large family gathering. Would you seriously be confident enough to present your findings you mention in your article to Diane Downs children? (that one is more of a question). Great blog post, thank you. Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. Very little is definitively known in this area. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane.. The roller coaster ride had nothing to do with Diane s children and Diane knew it. 4.Diane was NOT arrested for almost a year after the shootings the d.a. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. But I am more than willing to review any new info. I dont know either if she is guilty or not, but I believe there is a reasonable doubt surrounding the circumstances. How interesting. The hell with doubts, ballistics and pesky details about the shooting, we cannot disagree becausethere is hunting and fishing to do and friendships to uphold. Someone said to me that any of us, if scrutinized under a microscope, would come out looking pretty bad. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. I hope this would never fly these days to separate wounded children from the only family members they have. Legally speaking, we do not go after people because they look evil or crazy. She had been the bread winner for most of her marriage, and never wavered in her desire to bring financial stability to her family. I have worked in Child Protection for over 20 years and have extensive experience in this field domestically and internationally. As soon as Diane was found guilty, Hugi demanded that Diane be evaluated by a psychiatrist before sentencing so they could declare her a dangerous offender and give her a stiffer sentence. An attractive woman whose two children were killed in mysterious circumstances and the cops decided to go after her. Ruger #14-76187; described as the gun used by Diane and belonging to Steve Downs, was not the murder weapon. Its tiresome. I am pointing them out. They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. Susan, I dont know if there ever was a lawsuit against Ann Rule from the Fredericksons family. It will not make me popular, but I dont mind. Maybe dad relinquished, it sounds like he may have. No, Im not that gullible, Okay, I just read that she faked throwing her keys. You hit the nail on the head by stating that in the US especially, they seem to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. It has become entertainment and there can only be good, bad and evil. The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? She had not fired a gun. They should have taken the time necessary to find enough evidence. The american system often reminds me of what Charles Dickens talked about in his novels. The fact that the children were in no way protected by Child Protection Services is undeniable. Phenobarbital was administered alongside the Dilantin. The problem with high profile cases is that the media, the DA, the cops and authors like Ann Rule dictate the narrative and it becomes almost impossible to look any other way unless you are a critical thinker devoid of emotions related to the case. The person who shot the kids was leaning inside the car because they were shot at close range. I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. She never hurt anyone in the process of escaping. The car was splattered with blood, but Diane had none on her. I will talk to Dianes brother. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. I especially loved reading everyones comments. What was the rationale behind this? I think it would give the blog more integrity and transparency. They said she was going slow but the time at which she arrived seems to indicate otherwise. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. Steve Bannon won't be detained before trial on charges of contempt of Congress after he failed to comply with subpoenas from the House committee investigating January 6. (Appendix 3). Steve Howey and Sarah Shahi both grew up in the Lone Star state but their romance didn't begin until they were both acting in Los Angeles. Nobody ignored Dianes demeanor. How do you expect the daughter to have any fair understanding of the situation or any decent contact with Dianes family when the people who have been calling her mother a murderer and a monster are dragging her in the media spotlight in the hope of writing another book or getting a new scoop, but all one sided. she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. Hey Jace, I was not going to post your insulting comments but I decided to let the last sentence fly so that I could answer it. The people who implemented lockdowns would never be anywhere near public policy again. It was known as Manic Depression. I wasnt there and the records will never be brought to light as far as the child welfare case. You were not there and one thing I have learned about high profile cases, is that you cannot always believe what the media, biased detectives and Ann Rule have to say. She said a bunch of really stupid things in the media (my kids were lucky, not me gets the palm) and basically bury herself. Are we to believe that Proctors second gun was stolen with the bill and ID from the first gun that remained listed at the gun store? The police DID fingerprint the car, from grill to trunk and in between. Write about cases where due process is in question and important aspects were ignored or twisted two children Diane. 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