Is this a real story? And a lot of the most fascist stuff comes from what it gets in the room. Chris Hayes speaks with MSNBC anchor, author and friend Rachel Maddow about her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra" and more. Rachel Maddow: -- and freaks and crooks and, you know, people who dont pay their taxes. Rachel Maddow: -- sort of a bit player in this story and theyre actually supported by the Hitler government. Rachel Maddow: And that magic of being like, the show is over, I'm going to --. Chris Hayes: Well, no, thats fascinating. And when you read it, it sends you to Wikipedia because you're like, wait, how much of this is Philip Roth --. That --, Rachel Maddow: -- like, technical suspense? The presence of a hate symbol in a picture of two liberals mugging for the camera was too much to ignore. You can also watch "The Rachel Maddow Show" on Monday nights. We are in utterly uncharted territory." Ai. Not one of them touched the green pepper he'd cut up for. Chris Hayes: The podcast is called "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra." Vice reported that it was told by Goodwill after the items were brought to the organizations attention that the items were removed from its online auction. Chris Hayes: -- its a very good compelling story. I feel done. You get 11, you get 10. Rachel Maddow: And he's calling for Christians to boycott Jewish businesses and saying that America, he, as Father Coughlin, takes the path of fascism. MSNBC president Phil Griffin probably thought two Rachel Maddows would be better than one, but Hayes as lost 30% of Schultz's viewers and as Maddow's lead-in, her ratings are suffering as a result: Even Ms. Maddow's ratings tumbled sharply in May, at least partly because the network's new host at 8 p.m., Chris Hayes, has lost more than . And some of them, yes, were prosecutors and people working inside the criminal justice system, but some of them were crusading columnists. Rachel Maddow: Yeah. I feel like that's part of it all getting scrubbed because it's like, oh, well, that was all before. An icon used to represent a menu that can be toggled by interacting with this icon. Chris Hayes: Right, but the first step, the key, is to parcel out the information in this way --, Chris Hayes: -- that doesn't overwhelm --. Then, its them. In addition to being generally amazing and decent, Hayes has tracked the life and death and . Coughlin starts out as a kind of like not quite left figure, but he is supportive of the New Deal. It's called "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra." Like the people who are listening are like, "Wait, who's the senator?". So you get that name. And they were acquitted. I mean, theres a couple of things here. By Chris Hayes? Rachel Maddow: You would not be on trial. Rachel Maddow: And also, is this real? Rachel Maddow: -- and you were working this hard. I mean, this is --, Chris Hayes: -- stuff that is top of mind at the time, big news --. Rachel Maddow is incredible. I love that scientific part of it. Dog whistle, much? one Twitter user posted, while another wrote, Whats this? in bafflement. Chris Hayes: And then what you uncover is that, like, prior to Pearl Harbor, there was a huge amount of Nazi sympathy in the United States. I just think we need some energy in it, and Im hoping, in some ways, that learning the history of other Americans who have done it well can give us some energy. Chris Hayes: -- tools of liberal democracy. Lundeen gets run out of literally on a rail out of his congressional district for opposing World War I, which is a very different thing than opposing World War II --, And what I find fascinating about is like the ideological trajectory of these figures around this time and how people navigate through, once everything is presented is on the table, right? Chris Hayes: Its a real shoot the Moon strategy. I mean, they were in control but also profoundly corrupt. You take the base average the number of viewers who tune in at a specific time slot, no matter the host then measure whether a particular host raises, drops or maintains that average.. For example, The Rachel Maddow Show averaged 2.6 million in 2021 at 9 pm. Rachel Maddow: -- breaking news times, and there's time we have to be on call and all that stuff. His full name is Christopher Loffredo. Rachel Maddow: Super interesting. Do you buy the explanation of the presence of the swastika on the desk? The impulses that seduce people to oppose it are there all the time. Luckily for us, her decision to dial back from the nightly cable news grind has allowed her to create a work in new media. Eleanor Roosevelt is writing a newspaper column, at the time, as first lady. Is that a story about, you know, how populism and fascism and accountability can crash in ways that are very troubling in terms of the actions of the Justice Department? But I find it really interesting, so you're along for the ride. J. Edgar Hoover, head of the FBI, announces it. Thanks for being so kind. Chris Hayes: Everyone gets to see what I do. The Huey Long guy who lost the Christian Front trial. And there are Americans who went before us who were as smart or smarter, as funny or funnier, more nimble, more interesting, more capable, and who saved us from this last time around, and we should learn how they did it. Maddow seeks to explain our complex world and deliver news in a way that's illuminating and dynamic, connecting the dots to make sense of complex issues. It's like, could we --, Chris Hayes: I want to follow-up on this. Here in the televisual medium for a very, very special, exciting episode, I'm going to start with a sports metaphor, if you'll indulge me. Rachel Maddow: The clan is a fascist terrorist movement --, Rachel Maddow: -- in this country. You can help a great deal by, A, keeping us, this anti-fascist organization, advised of incidents, i.e., stabbings, beatings, et cetera, that may happen in your neighborhood. A funny thing happens when you watch a lot of MSNBC: everyone's faces all sort of start to . And I just go, "This is what its like to go on vacation.". And if that thing isn't there at the end of the day, like, I got the day off --. On Tuesday, Hayes posted a photo of himself with Rachel Maddow on his Twitter account. The effort to replace Hayes has been complicated by three factors: First, Lack has been too busy trying to relaunch MSNBC -- and the career of Brian Williams, the former NBC Nightly News anchor . Doni Holloway: It was about events of historical significance compared to today. I try to tell stories for a living. ", Chris Hayes: I have one work product. And how much do you think about suspense? Chris Hayes: -- or it falls apart if you're doing something in 15 minutes or 14 minutes. Chris Hayes: -- word for word Goebbels's speech in his newsletter. I think that our professional and civic and religious institutions can be strong but can also be heard. That's how FARA, which is now, like, having this new rebirth in the Trump era. And I also was like, I guess, I just never heard of the senator. He took months and months and months, and it was very, very dangerous work because of what he was doing. Chris Hayes: And they like to hear fascist rhetoric. On July 12, 2021, a photo of Rachel Maddow was posted to the "Community" tab of MSNBC's YouTube account. . The subject of the. And one of the plots that we talk about in the podcast involves a guy who had been, you know, a high-ranking clan leader, right. And so you're focused on that name. Chris Hayes: Well, that gets to something fascinating to me because we use the term "lost to history." B, you can petition your local city council and police to take action within the existing law and without violating the right of free speech against the incitements to riot from the Christian Front. "The Last Word With Lawrence O'Donnell" and "All In With Chris Hayes" were 37th and 38th, respectively. You have to work with people who are smarter than you, who keep you on track and bring out the best in you. What's the story? Chris Hayes got his start on television as a guest host for. That happening at the same time that members of Congress and members of the United States Senate were being roped into a plan involving a Nazi agent to, not just sort of leverage their pro-German or antiwar sympathies, but actually do Hitler's work in this country. Nico Parker discusses Dumbo. They named him Home Run Baker because of how many home runs he hit, and he hit 11. Rachel Maddow: And its like, you know what, Francis Sweeney, you know, I dont know if there ought to be a statue to you, but I definitely want to read a lot more about you and know --. And they're right, like, they earned it. Its hard. Rachel Maddow: As his own, yes. So these sort of grand ideological battles, first against Nazis and fascism, then against communism, and then of course, like, the ultimate victory of liberal democracy as a kind of like teleological story about human development, which we basically all get, like, whether we know it or not --. Rachel Maddow: Oh, in terms of legitimately not knowing what's coming next? And the great sedition trial in the end doesnt work for all sorts of amazing reasons, and he ends his career at the Justice Department. Rachel Maddow: And so, you end up with all sorts of ways that the criminal law can be engaged against some of these leaders, you know, and thats not definitionally true, just historically recurring. Like, over the generations actually, the people who are the worst actors in this ultra-right sphere of American politics are thieves. Earlier in his program, Hayes recounted an. Chris Hayes: Wait, what's the story? Rachel Maddow: That makes for a good country song. We are committed to truth and accuracy in all of our journalism. What was that Howard Stern bit (ph)? Like, you're getting the name of the senator. He interviews guys on the Nazi side of the plot to say, in fact, were you working with these Americans and gets them on the record from their cells at Nuremberg saying yeah, these were the Americans who we are working with. So when Doni, our producer who's here, you guys are very closely held with the details of this, which made sense. Prosecution does not work and that prosecutor, having been through all those different of the ringer ends up breaking all the rules. Chris Hayes: And that's something that comes through in the story you're telling in a way that, I think, we really don't think enough about. Rachel Maddow: And, you know, theyre organizing rifle clubs, and its as confrontational as you can get in terms of being an overt pro-Hitler movement designed to destabilize the United States. Its, to me, a bigger truth to realize there was a whole lot of them, and they were all meeting those needs in different ways. They have their first daughter named Ryan Elizabeth Shaw-Hayes born in November 2011. This was 1939. And the demand, I am very obsessed in the notion of like the demand side for fascism as opposed to supply side --. Chris Hayes: -- by Reverend Alson J. Smith --. Rachel Maddow: Its about there being a bad guy, that bad guy not being you --. Rachel Maddow: Yes, its a piece of it --, Rachel Maddow: -- and its not the end all, be all. ELIJAH SCHAFFER (@ElijahSchaffer) October 5, 2022, Whats going on with the German National Socialist propaganda, Chris? And we, in the Bronx, need to figure out how we are going to fight that. Rachel Maddow: Yes. Chris Hayes is married to Kate Shaw, a professor of law at the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University in Manhattan. Chris Hayes: I don't know whose secretary is. Because these are fascist thugs --. When youre not on the confines of, like, well, were liberal democracy and what should the tax rate be, but rather how should we order all of society, fascist, communist, liberal democracy, people take this very interesting --, Chris Hayes: -- ideological journeys, I mean --. It ends up being very handy. As noted by conservative commentator Todd Starnes, Hayes in the past had linked Trump supporters to the swastika. Chris Hayes speaks with MSNBC anchor, author and friend Rachel Maddow about her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra" and more. He gets fired by going rogue and saying, "We didnt get a conviction, but Im going to tell you what our evidence was. That deal will give Maddow, the highest-rated host on MSNBC, a jaw-dropping $30 million per year to keep her with the company through the 2024 election, according to four people familiar with the matter. Rachel Maddow: I mean, is that a story about the limitations to the critical law? You know, I always think of him like a standup comedian where, you know, good standup comedians that go up and they get feedback from the room, and they iterate. Chris Hayes is an American political commentator, television news anchor, and author. After Maddow's nine-week sabbatical, she returned to The Rachel Maddow Show on April 11 and made it official for her viewers: They'd have her four nights a week through the end of the month,. Trump staffers scooping up little red swastika golf balls into Make America Great Again hats is the tableau of the campaign so far, Hayes said in 2016, Starnes noted. Rachel Maddow: -- it turns out that you've never heard of this guy. Search us up on TikTok by searching for WITHpod. He goes to Germany. And I was like, I feel like I would know if that happened. Huey Long, of course, was assassinated, which is what put an end to his political career. And that was part of what was hard about drafting the podcast because you could do the whole thing on Coughlin and the Christian Front, right? Rachel Maddow: You can express them, and you can --. In her past career, Shaw clerked in the Supreme Court for. And here he is, like, arguing for (inaudible) --. And the Justice Department, youre the Justice Department, you cant do that. And shes just this devout, young Catholic woman whos disgusted by it, who infiltrates them, starts on newspaper, pressures the police, gets them raided and takes it on herself, and then --. IE 11 is not supported. Chris Hayes is married to Kate A. Shaw who is an associate professor of law at Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law. Chris Hayes: I told her she's going to hate that (ph), but it is true. Chris Hayes: You know, so there are these attempts that fail where its like, no, you cant do that. Late Show ' s Just One Question, with Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (cameo appearance by Molly . It's like, yeah, my job does this, but then there's you, inside. I think we're capable of it. It's an hour --, Chris Hayes: And it's this thing. Luckily for us, her decision to dial back from the nightly cable news grind has allowed her to create a work in new media. Rachel Maddow: -- form fascist organizations even. Justice Department can only speak through its actions in court. And they sent a sort of wunderkind prosecutor down to Louisiana. So we got January 6th attack on the Capitol. He gets on the air in the United States just after Kristallnacht, and basically says, yeah, the Jews had it coming. Is that a story about authoritarianism? Rachel Maddow: Tom Barrack, literally on trial right now --. Point is, Babe Ruth was sort of just doing something different than every other baseball player was doing. But they expected to go forward with this armed effort to stop the transfer of power in the United States. One of her new projects is "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," a podcast all about the history of pre-World-War-two American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. Rachel Maddow: -- to distribute German government propaganda in the United States through the U.S. Congress and through the United States Senate. I communicate for a living. Now, this is basically the standard for American League home run leaders for like the entirety of the first 20 years of the 20th century. Chris Hayes: Who figures prominently in the podcast. But the thing that was very exciting to me about that was like, oh, well, let's see what Babe Ruth is going to do next. Were going to fight them by trying to get our churches to be more active on this, and trying to get the police to be more aware of what were doing, and to try to get neighborhood organizations that are both aware of this and organizing against it. On Tuesday, Hayes posted a photo of himself with Rachel Maddow on his Twitter account. Last night, both Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow interviewed activists drawn to D.C. this week to advocate for gun control because they have personal experience with mass-shootings. Deadline: White House. I mean, you can't have people who are afraid to tell you no, you can't. Chris Hayes: "I think the future is unwritten, and anyone who tells you they know what's going to happen is wrong. Earlier this week, CNN Business reported that Maddow's nightly show will end in 2022. You also agree to our. So Susan's annoyed because I'm not working any less. Can you imagine if former President Donald Trump said this? The presence of a swastika in the background of a photo posted by MSNBC host Chris Hayes gave Twitter a chortle this week. The Rachel Maddow Show - 11/21/22. Rachel Maddow: -- they're defeated and gone. Chris hosts programs like beat with Chris Hayes, a weekday news and opinion television program on MSNBC. To hear fascist rhetoric was sort of start to was like, technical suspense, on. To go forward with this armed effort to stop the transfer of power in the room but they to. Told her she 's going to fight that opinion television program on MSNBC how we in... 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