AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Come visit our wiki over in r/Navy. I had lasik about 6 months ago and the recruiter originally told me that all I would need is a letter filled out by the doctor. He said the tests they do would not notice the lasik scar it's only if you tell them you had lasik that they do more in depth tests if there's any issues. If you struggle from any of the conditions mentioned below, it is a good idea to speak with a local U.S. Military recruiter. For information regarding Navy enlisted ratings, see [Twisky's Rating Information Guide] (https://www.reddit.com/r/newtothenavy/comments/6mxv7c/links_to_official_information_on_every_enlisted/). He hadn't been "prescribed" an anti-depressant because he only took some medicine on a short, trial basis. While there, he experienced the emotionally stressful and physically demanding environment of being a Trainee at Lackland AFB. The wrist has handled push ups every other day since I was cleared to get back to it and my eyes are perfect, but I'll know for sure at 6 months. from USMCboot. So I handed all of my medical and education records that he said to not worry about to the recruiter. Texted him asking if he got the paperwork and he said he did (at this point I knew a commander came in and talk to the two and now I know he is pissed). I plan on waiting the 6 months. And if you don't know what to do, you have no business applying to the military. The paper requests numbers from the pre-surgery, 90 days after pre-surgery, and a month after that. It will regenerate itself in about three to five days. Keratinous is NOT trifling; it is the major cause for corneal transplant in the US-a very expensive medical issue. Further, he won't be able to enlist nor commission in any branch of the military ever again. Should I lie at MEPS and if so will I likely get caught? ; and he asked my friend if he had ever smoked pot. This is a process a person goes through after they have gone through the medical screening to join the army. Telling them what I told the recruiter and what he told me. they'll find out if you need a Top Secret security clearance or if the issue comes up. I genuinely had not considered that the way I'm acting could be considered morally suspect, or aggravating to the recruiter. Shoulda been a dishonorable. What should I do if MEPS continues to request medical records that don't exist? I didn't want to throw anybody the bus just want the correct paperwork to be done because it would take a google search to find all that medical stuff on me and I would like to work in government, What do I do? The most popular bodybuilding message boards! And you'll be sidelined forever. During the MEPS process, recruits may be tempted to lie about past events. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. However, they also discovered that the member received some depression counseling about 2 years before her MEPS visit, which she conveniently omitted. Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. broke my nose in December and had surgery to fix the break and take care of some sinus problems. Some typical things that people lie about at MEPS include: Medical History So we met a few days later and met his shadow that will be taking his place and filled out all the medical paperwork. Option 2: Lie. I went through Air Force BMT in the lste 70's . Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Ive had the doctor write two letters and both have not been good enough. In my experience meps isn't that deep of a medical check and it's fairly disorganized. Penalties for False Enlistment As stated on the Army enlistment contract you sign, lying at MEPS regarding medical or mental health history is a terrible idea with serious implications. If it had been correctly disclosed, he likely would have required a waiver and additional counseling before joining the Air Force. You might think to yourself, "How could he not know that he needed to disclose this information?" My 90 day period was more like 2 months, because that's when they called me back for a followup, so it wouldn't have made sense (distance traveled and financially) to go back a month later for a '90 day' followup. If you do tell the truth about the surgery and wait 6 months for the lasik, you will probably still be able to get a contract, but you will have to go through a bunch of unnecessary shit. Further, patients often don't ask what their diagnosis is--the patient is focused on their problems and not the administrivia in a medical record. You have runs risk that a Soldier could not live with. Any advice? Know how to find the right doctor. If you can not look at yourself in the mirror in the morning it was the wrong decision. Messages. JavaScript is disabled. You will never become a United States Marine. Privacy Policy. I didn't mention it at the physical, everything when fine. For some reason the Pacific breeze didnt reach that area. One guy kept getting ahold of his prrsonal items somehow and got caught playing a saxophone in the barracks. So what should I do: should I call him and polk the bear? And more people are going to lie now that everyone is getting diagnosed with ADHD because they're not interested in school (and ADHD is a disqualifier). I swear I've met more dudes getting chaptered in the infantry for mental problems (like a few guys are mentally insane) than I ever imagined. I'm guessing you're done. After seeing the counselor for about 3 months, he was diagnosed with Dysthymia and Social Anxiety Disorder (SAD). They don't pull up your records unless you need a clearance or unless it comes up. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tool+bag&defid=1959463. Processing Stations (MEPS) Your visit to a Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) determines your mental aptitude, as well as physical and moral qualifications for enlistment in the Army. Or should I be honest with my recruiter and if I cant get a waiver, lie at MEPS. No personally identifying information (PII). So I left his office and my recruiter took me to up to the hotel. Some background, I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was younger and thus have ADHD and have a prescription for but find that I dont really need it for things other than standardized tests which is not really al that ADHD related Im just a bad test taker. If people can lie about weed I dont see any moral dilemma about you lying about ADHD. and was it a mistake for being honest at MEPS? Seriously folks, stop with the medical determinations. Alright, you've got me interested. Also it is about what job that you are going to do as a Officer. Does MEPS pull your military medical records. It seems like the most important mission of the army right now its safety and risk management, and with that in mind, it doesn't seem even remotely worth the risk. I told him "no" because I did disclose everything with him if asked. I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didnt they found it at meps . We are going to have to start policing this, because it's becoming too common. Press J to jump to the feed. lie at MEPS? He. If you are denied entry to the military, it is very possibly the best thing for both you and the government. All Rights Reserved. This video I react to a video that JTsuits made where a person was kicked out of navy Bootcamp due to them being medically unfit. I lied at meps . Stuck waiting for MEPS to process my info from Military to Military as well as MEPS to MEPS. SSG Sean Donahue - Though your verbiage is way bolder than mine (my post on this issue is above) I fully agree with you!!!! Good luck to you. A recent post made me think of these questions. You are using an out of date browser. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.reddit.com/r/newtothenavy/comments/6mxv7c/links_to_official_information_on_every_enlisted/, https://www.public.navy.mil/netc/centers/ceneoddive/ndstc/documents/manmed_chap15.pdf. Always good advice. x10 bus middlesbrough to newcastle price. I lied at MEPs about multiple things, I don't think it has affected my ability to be a soldier. KUDOS! : r/USMCboot. For instance another friend went to meps and when he was doing the eye portion he was wearing contacts and the guy checking him didn't even notice. I have been 100% honest with my paperwork. You're still not getting it. Recruits who pass their physical and have no prior history may be accepted because the military does not routinely pull medical information. I even believed that my OR would appreciate my persistence in trying to get more info while he is on leave this week. On the way to Meps we got a call from the Chief who asked us if we had ever been asked to lie, had criminal charges etc. It does not belong to any particular service division. Am I in danger like my friend said? Lost the navigator slot and was made a C130 mechanic. Lying will. First, you are the one liable WHEN you get busted lying. Because of his failure to disclose his medical history at MEPS and it's discovery while he was on Medical Hold, he was administratively discharged from the Air Force without completing BMT for Fraudulent Enlistment. However, herein lies the problem. I lied at meps . I got LASIK a few months ago, I know the minimum time from surgery to MEPs has to be at least 6 months. Fraudulent Entry can get you kicked out of the military. I don't suggest lying, but literally almost everyone I know of has lied about something. Idk if the policy is 1 or 3 years, Ive encountered both. Last I knew, which granted was probably close to a decade ago, it was strictly forbiddenonly PRK was allowed. Make it impossible to lie? if the issue will not comprise your ability to serve in your unit and MOS, keep your mouth shut.. What about me? He runs like 6 miles a day on it perfectly capable. Thank you for the quick replies. One of the worst things in the world is getting a fraudulent enlistment discharge after making it through 2 months of boot. I have enough money saved to get the surgery, and I'm willing to wait the 180 days, but I don't know how available that waiver is, and my OR doesn't recommend doing anything that will create more hurdles for me to get past at MEPS, stating each hurdle decreases my chances of becoming an officer. Then to delete your comments, simply click on your username on Reddit, go to the comments tab, scroll down as far as possible (hint: use RES), and hit the new OVERWRITE button at the top. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. I am going into the marines and have a contract to go to security school where you need a TS if you complete it. Though my friend told me his exam consisted of a puff eye test, exam for glaucoma screening. Retired in '02 as a Senior Chief(E-8 for you landlubbers). Obviously I will tell them about my felony charge. john danaher instructional videos Take the advice and think on it. MEPS, Eye Exam, and Lasik It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. I've done the 1 month check and will do the 6, 3 months is coming up so I'll have to get that on the books. 27. I know a guy who lied about lasik because he didn't want to wait 6 months and nobody at meps found out. They asked him if hadn't told them EVERYTHING and this was his last chance. Own this and you may be surprised, if nothing else you will have evolved as a man. Though would documentation from a psychologist count as documentation from a doctor bc I dont know how familiar doctor at a hospital would be with something related to a different field of medicine. Online posts, including anonymous posts and posts made here on APC, have been used in lawsuits against unions. This experience also likely caused further stress and worsened his long-term mental health because he was suddenly out of a multi-year career, and wasted many weeks of his and the Air Force's time. As a reminder, this subreddit is for civil discussion. If they ask, tell them it's a scar from when you were a kid. Don't even mention the scar unless they ask then keep it minimal "that was just from when I was a kid" if they ask more "yeah I was biking and fell" simple is good. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. You will not be able to live the Army values and lead Soldiers in the future. I wouldn't recommend it (even ignoring the important integrity aspects of your question. My gramma always told me I had to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and know that if I couldn't-- I wouldn't sleep well at night. Talk openly with your recruiter, MEPS staff, and your family. Stuck waiting for MEPS to process my info from Military to Military as well as MEPS to MEPS. The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . We have been contacted by major union legal teams regarding this issue. That sent me down a long road of having to get a waiver for something that had no current medical basis and was utter medical fraud. Maybe mental health evaluations should be more thorough, the guys with physical problems that the Army didn't know about got found out because they were being physically pushed but the mental nutjobsthey didn't get found out til they got to their unit. Overall, I have to say that I am troubled by the way you appear to be perceiving and interacting with the recruiters. Anyways I called him a few weeks ago telling him I am interested. After about 2 months on the medication, he discovered that the side-effects of the medicine were worse than his symptoms and stopped taking it. This isn't the place, and you aren't the expert. It was not a mistake for being honest at MEPS, it was a mistake for being dishonest on the paperwork. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. I got both of these surgeries in order to be a seal, and would fucking hate if the reason I can't get in are the very surgeries I got in order to qualify for training. Also, if that user name is actually your name it's a sign that you might not really be very good at this subterfuge thing. Pretend now that either of these people had completed BMT without their prior Mental Health history ever evaluated. It may not display this or other websites correctly. View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries View Articles View Gallery Uploads Marine Friend . I think the chief issue is your pattern of distrust..and confidence in superiors. My cousin was in line for a navigator slot when he joined the Marines. 21 years active duty,kept my mouth shut about stuff that just did not need to be amplified. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. Went to MEPS the next morning and everything was normal until medical debriefing. Know all the risks and procedure limitations. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He was counseled, evaluated, and treated for EIA. I feel like this is a test so see if I won't bother to accrue some letters regardless and I'm not sure what to do. When I went to MEPs, like most people, I had something to lie about. Talked to a bunch of people about it and asked why does it say "no" if clearly should have been "yes". She joined the army and just before graduating AIT she decided the Army wasn't for her (I told her not to do it, but did she listen? It may not display this or other websites correctly. How do recruiters get medical records to MEPS for a med read? 2. The suicide counselor recommended he also consider seeing his own counselor. I also had to have my opthalmologist fill out a form called MEPS Refractive Eye Surgery worksheet.Look at MANMED regarding LASIK. Accidentally or on purpose are applicable. I had the surgery in august of 2014. and our I don't want to waste the time of past professors and employers if it doesn't matter. Unless you know it's a legitimate issue that impairs your physical and/or mental ability to carry out your duties, don't say a thing. You must log in or register to reply here. Know what makes you a poor candidate. Any help would be appreciated. I was at SOI-West last summer. Can You Fix a Lie on Your SF-86 Questionnaire? I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if its a no go or not . So I'm trying to go into USMC and I have been talking with this recruiter for a few months now. 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