Les Paul Forum Homesite I put grover tuners on my acoustic and i like them. The Firebird comes with Steinberger gearless tuners that weigh about a half pound less than the banjos and work marvelously (40:1 ratio!!). And no neck dive. Better tuners - those with cast bases and threaded bushings, are a joy to use, smoother, perhaps more "precise" in feel, and usually nicer to look at too. He knows stuff that Gibson don't even know about there own guitars. -- Default Mobile Style Top The Kluson revolution lockers are in the order of 35% lighter than the Grovers that are on it. It is for the bass side. Inside diameter = 6.14mm. It is so good to know that they don’t alter the sound at all. The Kluson wafflebacks on my old SG Custom were excellent tuners, too. with a 6mm string post like many import tuning machine manufacturers use but with a push in vintage type bushing. Kluson ® Vintage-Style Tuning Machines. WD Kluson steel replacement bushings are metric 6mm I.D. In my experience, Grovers are a bit heavier but hold tune better and are more accurate. -- Deeper gold //-->. I bought a 2012 Gibson Kluson tuners (1995 - 2006 production) or any tuners requiring a vintage peg hole size 11/32 in. [/font] These guitars use Kluson - style tuners with press-in bushings, where the Grovers use the screw-in type bushing. Cheers Edit; there's a thread somewhere here where someone weighed the difference. just a thought.. -Gibson 1967 ES 125 TDC-Epiphone les paul-samick d-1 acoustic -crate electric (entry level) ... Kluson vs. Grover. These state of the art tuners are designed to directly retrofit die-cast tuners with a hex head bushing adding a rear knob locking mechanism, traditional Kluson two-screw mounting pattern and modern 25/64” peghole. Kluson has been supplying some of the most popular guitar manufacturers, such as Fender, Gibson, and Epiphone, with guitar tuners since its inception in 1925. In truth, the difference is probably negligible, but so is the price difference. Re: Schaller vs Grover locking tuners? The real grovers are from Cort earth 200 from the 90's. I'd like to propose a winner in the heavy machine heads category that is heads down. I'm sure only Axel knows if they have wax potting. These Klusons (plus the 3/8” adapter bushings) were a virtual drop-in with no significant hand-fitting needed. TonePros makes a version of these tuners also, and Gibson has made a deal with TonePros to supply them to the factory. A set of grovers or kluson replacement tulip tuners might fit, but as I mentioned the epiphone deluxe tuners on at present seem a few millimeters longer than the replacements, and possibly the screw hole in a different place. The stock Kluson's on your Les Paul Classic, are (most likely) Not locking. They just were not as smooth as the Sealfast and waffleback tuners. In my experience the threaded bushings hold the tuner more securely and prevent slop in the post. The tuners are sealed & lubricated, and have a higher ratio (16:1) than the vintage tuners. CAR57 Strat-Talker. I prefer Grovers, but I wouldn't swap out unless the Klusons really gave you problems. I was returning original style tuners to an early ‘70s J-200 which, like a ton of guitars back then, had been Rotomatic-ized. Vintage Original Grover Tuners PAT PEND Tuners ... KLUSON VINTAGE KEYSTONE GOLD LOCKING TUNERS 3+3 FITS Gibson LES PAUL,335,FLY V. $77.00. check out the. Rotate the tip of the low E string’s tuning peg until it clicks into place. Free shipping. Both sets are non-locking, have an 18:1 gear ratio, and cost $50. These period correct tuning machines can replace the originals used on Fender ® guitars of the 50s and 60s.. The housings are securely fastened to the base insuring proper gear and worm alignment for accurate tuning. Grover Locking Rotomatics ® give you the ease of use provided by a standard tuner and the positive locking of our internal cam post.18:1 gear ratio. Outside diameter = 8.85mm. They were a straight swap. Kluson has truly introduced a game changer with the traditional footprint and newly designed sealed die-cast housing. I'm replacing the tuners on my newly acquired 1980 Ibanez Artist. Rockape, Apr 7, 2013 #10. I think grover tuners. Original Vintage 1953 Kluson No-line tuners 3x3 Gibson J45 J50 … The buttons are about the right size & shape and have a nice cream color. Grover 502C Roto-Grip Locking Rotomatic Tuners – Best Locking Tuners for Les Paul Like Schaller, the Grover name is widely recognized in the music industry. Contact Us They're alright, but they seem like they've fought the good fight over the years. But, in terms of stability, no better than the cheapest of cheapies. Fitted in 1982-84 to both AVRI's and export Squier JV's (probably why my 30 year old JV's tuners are still rock solid!). IIRC, each Grover weighs something like 52 grams, each Kluson Revolution something like 32 grams. The Grover Roto-Grip Tuners features a gold color design that makes them appealing while boosting their functionality. Which ones would you get? (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Grovers tend to be relatively heavy and would not be my first choice for a guitar with a light body that is on the verge of being a neck diver. So the real ones are around 20 years old. I was just wondering if anyone had taken their Ess339 P90 tuners off and replaced them, and with what. Too bad they look bland. " They can make your guitar head heavy, at the same. Even then, it was clear that Grover was a superior tuner and it still is if you compare vintage Grovers to vintage Klusons. Grovers are great, As are normal non-locking Kluson's.
